Discuter:Révoltes et utopies : la contre-culture américaine des années soixante
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| *des suggestions sur la structure de cette page : In the paragraph music, the headings need reworking because''' zeitgeist''' is not a fit title, all the songs, groups you mention later whatever the groupings belong to the zeitgeist of the time so... | *des suggestions sur la structure de cette page : In the paragraph music, the headings need reworking because''' zeitgeist''' is not a fit title, all the songs, groups you mention later whatever the groupings belong to the zeitgeist of the time so... | ||
| **I'm still not convinced by your understanding of the word "zeitgeist". It's not ''just'' spirit of the times, but an animated spirit of history. An album like "The Shape of Jazz to Come" or "Bitches Brew" are not overtly political, nor do they lead to social change. They do mark an important '''aesthetic''' change. The syncretism (combining of different musical traditions / modes ... | **I'm still not convinced by your understanding of the word "zeitgeist". It's not ''just'' spirit of the times, but an animated spirit of history. An album like "The Shape of Jazz to Come" or "Bitches Brew" are not overtly political, nor do they lead to social change. They do mark an important '''aesthetic''' change. The syncretism (combining of different musical traditions / modes ... | ||
| - | (what would you suggest?) | + | (what would you suggest?)==> '''(dropscone)'''Either the bibiliography is subjective and the headings are showing interpretation or it is objective and zeitgeist and all the connotations it implies should be erased. Same thing later with the paragraph "on the dark side " about cinema, this is a private joke sort of distiction not an objective one and I don't think agregation students will explore these avenues, Playboy Magazine would be a better accepted reference regarding pornography and sexual liberty becoming a commercial concept. The concours candidates need to write a general essay about the two aspects : societal and political changes''' and''' cultural changes. From what I see in the BO , they also need to keep a distance and put all these changes in perspective within US history in terms of freedom, democracy and politics. |
| *2.9 et 6.5 pourquoi deux rubriques music ? | *2.9 et 6.5 pourquoi deux rubriques music ? | ||
| - | **The Kronos Quartet is a retrospective performance... and a very important one. So I did want to kick it up into bibliography. | + | **The Kronos Quartet is a retrospective performance... and a very important one. So I did want to kick it up into bibliography. => '''(dropscone)''' Same remark as above. You are presenting your vision which is surely respectable and informed but my point is that this page is supposed to give indications to people preparing an exam where they will be asked for facts and a global, balanced vision of the whole period and its society. |
| *§2 devrait donner des références générales, il faudrait simplifier le classement. La distinction books et chapters par exemple n'est pas utile. Idem pour la référence à WIkipedia qui n'a pas besoin d'un paragraphe à elle toute seule. Plus la page est courte, plus elle elle est lisible. | *§2 devrait donner des références générales, il faudrait simplifier le classement. La distinction books et chapters par exemple n'est pas utile. Idem pour la référence à WIkipedia qui n'a pas besoin d'un paragraphe à elle toute seule. Plus la page est courte, plus elle elle est lisible. | ||
| - | **OK, I've dropped to '''bold'''. No need for me to be a fanatic about making the structure appear in the TOC. However I believe teaching the standard headings (for different types of documents) is useful. | + | **OK, I've dropped to '''bold'''. No need for me to be a fanatic about making the structure appear in the TOC. However I believe teaching the standard headings (for different types of documents) is useful.=> (dropscone)It's already simpler. Though I don't want to be right all the time, I've never seen a bibliography make such distinctions between books ,chapters etc.. The indications given to students regarding bibliographies are usually very different. |
| - | (thanks for the suggestions, including the one related to stopping :D) | + | http://www.aresearchguide.com/12biblio.html |
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| + | http://www.factmonster.com/homework/t8biblio.html | ||
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| + | http://www.sandiaprep.org/library/bib/bib.html | ||
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| + | http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_apa_format_examples.shtml | ||
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| + | http://www.creteil.iufm.fr/les-sites-de-formation/site-departemental-1er-degre-de-seine-et-marne/les-ressources-du-cd-77/le-crd/crd-capitaine-bastien/rediger-une-bibliographie/ | ||
| + | http://www.servicedoc.info/spip.php?page=article&id_article=391 | ||
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| + | We don't often pay attention to these scholarly rules on the wiki (especially to the canonical order : Family name, first name of authors / title of the book/ etc.) because not many people contribute and the wiki pages are updated only if people give tips, we don't want to scare away people by too many indications and as moderators we have enough work as it is. But here you are giving a lot of references so alphabetical order and simplicity are very important. | ||
Version du 23 avril 2011 à 08:07
- open question: the New Wave was seen in US cinemas as was mai '68 surely too / The Tlatelolco massacre before the Olympics in Mexico city in 68, too. In short do we expand to the world as seen from the US, or not ?
- Since the concours are concerned, stick to the USA, there's enough.
- des suggestions sur la structure de cette page : In the paragraph music, the headings need reworking because zeitgeist is not a fit title, all the songs, groups you mention later whatever the groupings belong to the zeitgeist of the time so...
- I'm still not convinced by your understanding of the word "zeitgeist". It's not just spirit of the times, but an animated spirit of history. An album like "The Shape of Jazz to Come" or "Bitches Brew" are not overtly political, nor do they lead to social change. They do mark an important aesthetic change. The syncretism (combining of different musical traditions / modes ...
(what would you suggest?)==> (dropscone)Either the bibiliography is subjective and the headings are showing interpretation or it is objective and zeitgeist and all the connotations it implies should be erased. Same thing later with the paragraph "on the dark side " about cinema, this is a private joke sort of distiction not an objective one and I don't think agregation students will explore these avenues, Playboy Magazine would be a better accepted reference regarding pornography and sexual liberty becoming a commercial concept. The concours candidates need to write a general essay about the two aspects : societal and political changes and cultural changes. From what I see in the BO , they also need to keep a distance and put all these changes in perspective within US history in terms of freedom, democracy and politics.
- 2.9 et 6.5 pourquoi deux rubriques music ?
- The Kronos Quartet is a retrospective performance... and a very important one. So I did want to kick it up into bibliography. => (dropscone) Same remark as above. You are presenting your vision which is surely respectable and informed but my point is that this page is supposed to give indications to people preparing an exam where they will be asked for facts and a global, balanced vision of the whole period and its society.
- §2 devrait donner des références générales, il faudrait simplifier le classement. La distinction books et chapters par exemple n'est pas utile. Idem pour la référence à WIkipedia qui n'a pas besoin d'un paragraphe à elle toute seule. Plus la page est courte, plus elle elle est lisible.
- OK, I've dropped to bold. No need for me to be a fanatic about making the structure appear in the TOC. However I believe teaching the standard headings (for different types of documents) is useful.=> (dropscone)It's already simpler. Though I don't want to be right all the time, I've never seen a bibliography make such distinctions between books ,chapters etc.. The indications given to students regarding bibliographies are usually very different.
http://www.aresearchguide.com/12biblio.html
http://www.factmonster.com/homework/t8biblio.html
http://www.sandiaprep.org/library/bib/bib.html
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_apa_format_examples.shtml
http://www.creteil.iufm.fr/les-sites-de-formation/site-departemental-1er-degre-de-seine-et-marne/les-ressources-du-cd-77/le-crd/crd-capitaine-bastien/rediger-une-bibliographie/ http://www.servicedoc.info/spip.php?page=article&id_article=391
We don't often pay attention to these scholarly rules on the wiki (especially to the canonical order : Family name, first name of authors / title of the book/ etc.) because not many people contribute and the wiki pages are updated only if people give tips, we don't want to scare away people by too many indications and as moderators we have enough work as it is. But here you are giving a lot of references so alphabetical order and simplicity are very important.
