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*Vegetarianism is not the only issue, nor was it presented as such... feel free to do some research of your own, if your not familiar with the topic, or if you wish to improve the page. As I said in a private message, Rastafarianism became very popular from at least the early to mid 1970s and is indeed associated with a vegetarian diet called Ital. I pointed out that Seals & Crofts (very popular band) were Baha'i and their songs which got extensive airplay dealt specifically with the faith. Perhaps you could look into this movement and its influence during the period, you may well be surprised by what you learn. Many of the Haight Ashberry gatherings were organized by the Hari Krishna, though I will let you track this down on the web on your own... as a teacher my job is only to open the door, it's up to you to walk through if you want to learn... Returning to vegetarianism, I'm not sure you realize just how profoundly counter-cultural a non-meat diet is -- though modern day France being the most carnivorous country I've ever visited -- I guess you could imagine if you've ever tried it (though in fact here at least when you are poor it is easy with so many markets, if you are middle class and must accept dinner invitations, it's a little more challenging...) *Vegetarianism is not the only issue, nor was it presented as such... feel free to do some research of your own, if your not familiar with the topic, or if you wish to improve the page. As I said in a private message, Rastafarianism became very popular from at least the early to mid 1970s and is indeed associated with a vegetarian diet called Ital. I pointed out that Seals & Crofts (very popular band) were Baha'i and their songs which got extensive airplay dealt specifically with the faith. Perhaps you could look into this movement and its influence during the period, you may well be surprised by what you learn. Many of the Haight Ashberry gatherings were organized by the Hari Krishna, though I will let you track this down on the web on your own... as a teacher my job is only to open the door, it's up to you to walk through if you want to learn... Returning to vegetarianism, I'm not sure you realize just how profoundly counter-cultural a non-meat diet is -- though modern day France being the most carnivorous country I've ever visited -- I guess you could imagine if you've ever tried it (though in fact here at least when you are poor it is easy with so many markets, if you are middle class and must accept dinner invitations, it's a little more challenging...)
-*"clumsy" is '''not''' a diplomatic word, regardless of whether you are "right" or "wrong". This was clearly an unfinished section as I do not have intimate acquaintance with the religions. I have begun to be a bit suspicious of your views on this matter. Should one not say anything until one knows everything?+*"clumsy" ?? This was clearly an unfinished section as I do not have intimate acquaintance with the religions. Should one not say anything until one knows everything?
'''Dropscone wrote:''' '''Populations / migrations change''' : those numbers are unsourced. Where do they come from and what do they describe ? '''Dropscone wrote:''' '''Populations / migrations change''' : those numbers are unsourced. Where do they come from and what do they describe ?

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Dropscone wrote: The paragraph religion was misleading as such : Those three / four religions were not adopted by everybody, and reducing a religion to the vegetarian issue is unclear and clumsy.

  • Vegetarianism is not the only issue, nor was it presented as such... feel free to do some research of your own, if your not familiar with the topic, or if you wish to improve the page. As I said in a private message, Rastafarianism became very popular from at least the early to mid 1970s and is indeed associated with a vegetarian diet called Ital. I pointed out that Seals & Crofts (very popular band) were Baha'i and their songs which got extensive airplay dealt specifically with the faith. Perhaps you could look into this movement and its influence during the period, you may well be surprised by what you learn. Many of the Haight Ashberry gatherings were organized by the Hari Krishna, though I will let you track this down on the web on your own... as a teacher my job is only to open the door, it's up to you to walk through if you want to learn... Returning to vegetarianism, I'm not sure you realize just how profoundly counter-cultural a non-meat diet is -- though modern day France being the most carnivorous country I've ever visited -- I guess you could imagine if you've ever tried it (though in fact here at least when you are poor it is easy with so many markets, if you are middle class and must accept dinner invitations, it's a little more challenging...)
  • "clumsy" ?? This was clearly an unfinished section as I do not have intimate acquaintance with the religions. Should one not say anything until one knows everything?

Dropscone wrote: Populations / migrations change : those numbers are unsourced. Where do they come from and what do they describe ?

  • The source is the US census web site. I'll add the ref and check to see if the population change table is unclear. I thought it was abundantly obvious, so I may well have missed something.

Dropscone wrote: You mean Population growth...not population change.

  • OK, were I writing for an academic journal I might perhaps talk about negative population growth I suppose, but in an informal context, population change seemed sufficiently clear

Dropscone wrote: Demographic change is not reduced to quantitative changes.

Dropscone wrote: In the paragraph music, the headings need reworking because zeitgeist is not a fit title, all the songs, groups you mention later whatever the groupings belong to the zeitgeist of the time so...

  • As I understand it, the word zeitgeist (literally spirit of the times) is understood as something that moves history forward (especially in Hegel's Philosophy of History where the term is most famously used). Cf. the counterculture docufiction Zeitgeist on the 911 bombings.
  • The separation I have made is one between music that is overtly political or social (Zeitgeist) and music that reacts to aesthetic canons by introducing "miscegenation". While it is true that the spirit of experimentation was part of the spirit of the times, I don't know that the evolution of music in itself is political. This is why I kept them apart. For the moment, I'm not convinced by your argument, but if you would like to restate it in another way, perhaps I would understand better.
  • Perhaps more information on the role of radio as an entremetteur would be useful here... can you find us an article?